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	<title>Comments on: Lessons for Zappa: Edgard Varese holds court</title>
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		<title>By: Brad Wood</title>
		<link>http://rogerbourland.com/2007/03/02/lessons-for-zappa-edgard-varese-hold-court/comment-page-1/#comment-9174</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PK wrote: &quot;And is it really fair to critique Frank for the elements of his time?&quot;

No. And in fact as I scan the content-addressable memory banks I recall that he did some fairly complex rhythmic constructions in his more durchkomponiertische works, bedeviling his musicians.

I guess it&#039;s just the relentless character of his stuff that puts me off.  But he will always have a spot in my heart for his witty repartee: my favorite the exchange with the obnoxious &quot;opinionated but lovable&quot; Joe Pine, an LA radio personality of some years back.  When Pine said &quot;So you have long hair.  You must be a woman&quot;, Zappa responded &quot;You have a wooden leg, so you must be a table.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PK wrote: &#8220;And is it really fair to critique Frank for the elements of his time?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. And in fact as I scan the content-addressable memory banks I recall that he did some fairly complex rhythmic constructions in his more durchkomponiertische works, bedeviling his musicians.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s just the relentless character of his stuff that puts me off.  But he will always have a spot in my heart for his witty repartee: my favorite the exchange with the obnoxious &#8220;opinionated but lovable&#8221; Joe Pine, an LA radio personality of some years back.  When Pine said &#8220;So you have long hair.  You must be a woman&#8221;, Zappa responded &#8220;You have a wooden leg, so you must be a table.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Avant Music News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Newsbits</title>
		<link>http://rogerbourland.com/2007/03/02/lessons-for-zappa-edgard-varese-hold-court/comment-page-1/#comment-9067</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joel Harrison plays the music of Paul Motion on March 23rd in NYC. A number of Tzadik artists are features at the Jewish Music Festival in the SF Bay Area. A fictional conversation between Frank Zappa and Edgard Varese can be found. A review of a recent tribute to the old Knitting Factory is available.     &#160; [link] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joel Harrison plays the music of Paul Motion on March 23rd in NYC. A number of Tzadik artists are features at the Jewish Music Festival in the SF Bay Area. A fictional conversation between Frank Zappa and Edgard Varese can be found. A review of a recent tribute to the old Knitting Factory is available.     &nbsp; [link] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, I bow to all other knowledge in the area of cognition, computing comparisons, as I only ponder this stuff when I start channeling my late cat after smoking my shorts (no offense taken, as you point out, I question it all, myself). But then, I do know humans to be wonderfully capable of perversion, that is, to like the complex over the simple (otherwise why would I smoke my shorts?) or the other way around. I have, also, seen some natural truths hide in plain sight. Four on the floor may seem crude and boring, but I have watched humans pack dance floors, and even listen to radios playing the stuff, for amazing amounts of human hours.

But to wonder about ol&#039; EV&#039;s comments to Frank, I remember, as amplifiers grew and grew during the sixties, the visceral thrill of great wattage at one&#039;s back (and suffer from permanent tinnitus for it), and then the disco 70s quarter note kick drum. There has been a growing emphasis on visceral, simple pulse (aesthetic and cultural questions aside), I wonder why? Oh, maybe blame it on The Dave Clark Five and Paul Revere &amp; The Raiders, glad all over, my foot! And is it really fair to critique Frank for the elements of his time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, I bow to all other knowledge in the area of cognition, computing comparisons, as I only ponder this stuff when I start channeling my late cat after smoking my shorts (no offense taken, as you point out, I question it all, myself). But then, I do know humans to be wonderfully capable of perversion, that is, to like the complex over the simple (otherwise why would I smoke my shorts?) or the other way around. I have, also, seen some natural truths hide in plain sight. Four on the floor may seem crude and boring, but I have watched humans pack dance floors, and even listen to radios playing the stuff, for amazing amounts of human hours.</p>
<p>But to wonder about ol&#8217; EV&#8217;s comments to Frank, I remember, as amplifiers grew and grew during the sixties, the visceral thrill of great wattage at one&#8217;s back (and suffer from permanent tinnitus for it), and then the disco 70s quarter note kick drum. There has been a growing emphasis on visceral, simple pulse (aesthetic and cultural questions aside), I wonder why? Oh, maybe blame it on The Dave Clark Five and Paul Revere &amp; The Raiders, glad all over, my foot! And is it really fair to critique Frank for the elements of his time?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 02:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend David Crane did his dissertation on Arcana, and I must get him to start frequenting this blog.

PK, that is one approach to multiprocessing, but perhaps the asynchronous machines are more interesting.  At least I hope so, as I find simple-minded rhythms pretty boring in music and machines.

Also, meaning no offense but since you are questioning it already, I think the comparison of human cognition and computers, at least von Neumann machines, will turn out to be one of the least productive and overall worst ideas of the twentieth century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend David Crane did his dissertation on Arcana, and I must get him to start frequenting this blog.</p>
<p>PK, that is one approach to multiprocessing, but perhaps the asynchronous machines are more interesting.  At least I hope so, as I find simple-minded rhythms pretty boring in music and machines.</p>
<p>Also, meaning no offense but since you are questioning it already, I think the comparison of human cognition and computers, at least von Neumann machines, will turn out to be one of the least productive and overall worst ideas of the twentieth century.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger: Your blog is as wonderful as ever, these days, and your eclectic competence (competence meaning that I agree with so many of your evaluations of music from different genre ;-) ) is impressive. I agree exactly with your, ahem, I mean Mssr. Varese&#039; critique of Zappa, but I might point out to him (EV) that the biological aspects of periodicity are still being explored. There could be some larger reasons for this late 20th century insistence on hitting it over the head. I have been playing with the idea of pop culture being a form of a multiprocessor distribution device, where strong clocks are needed for synchronization. Of course that is a good example of the urge to equate human cognition and computers, and as such, perhaps silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger: Your blog is as wonderful as ever, these days, and your eclectic competence (competence meaning that I agree with so many of your evaluations of music from different genre <img src='http://rogerbourland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) is impressive. I agree exactly with your, ahem, I mean Mssr. Varese&#8217; critique of Zappa, but I might point out to him (EV) that the biological aspects of periodicity are still being explored. There could be some larger reasons for this late 20th century insistence on hitting it over the head. I have been playing with the idea of pop culture being a form of a multiprocessor distribution device, where strong clocks are needed for synchronization. Of course that is a good example of the urge to equate human cognition and computers, and as such, perhaps silly.</p>
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